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Question: Experts often say that there is no cure for “schizophrenia” (or similar disorders such as “schizoaffective”): so how is recovery possible?
Answer: It is true that there is no “cure” in the sense of a treatment that can be applied by a professional that reliably makes the problem go away. But it is also true that we have no “cure” for the common cold, and yet fortunately, people do recover from them! In the case of disorders like “schizophrenia,” recovery is less certain, but it is still a reality for many[i]. Those who do recover most often give some credit to other people who helped them believe that recovery was possible. It’s interesting that while recovery from colds happens whether or not we believe it is possible (because our immune system does the work), recovery from disorders like “schizophrenia” may require belief that it is possible, because such recovery typically requires a person’s own effort. People are unlikely to exert this effort if they lack a belief that it may succeed.
Question: Why do you put words like “schizophrenia” and “schizoaffective” in quotes?
Answer: People are often tricked by big words like “schizophrenia” into feeling they are, in Rufus May’s[ii] words, “the passive victims of an active illness.” But feeling like a passive victim is not an attitude that aids in recovery. Instead, it often helps to see words like “schizophrenia” as just labels that psychiatrists use when people have certain experiences and behave in certain ways. (After all, the only way a psychiatrist can make a diagnosis is to ask people about their experiences and notice how they behave: there is no laboratory test.) People typically have the experiences and behave in the ways that get called “schizophrenia” in response to stresses of various kinds; then they get further stressed out by having the odd experiences & by having to deal with the reactions of other people to their communications and behavior. Recovery is often facilitated when people focus directly on how to manage this stress and how to reconsider their points of view and change their communication and their behavior, rather than trying to fight or escape from some abstract entity such as their alleged “schizophrenia.”
Question: What does it mean to recover?
Answer: Full recovery means having regained a meaningful life, no longer having a mental health disability, and no longer being in need of any sort of mental health treatment. This definition of “full recovery” should be contrasted with the definitions used by some who suggest that recovery should be thought of as learning how to have a better life, while continuing to be mentally ill and needing treatment such as medications.[iii] Of course, lesser degrees of recovery can also be very important, and it is important to recognize that a person may find a meaningful life all the way along the journey to full recovery, whether or not that full recovery is ever accomplished. But it is also important to recognize that many people do achieve full recovery, and that it is a realistic goal to work for, and something the mental health system should really be oriented to help people achieve.
(Note that while the definition of full recovery includes “no longer being in need of any sort of mental health treatment” it does not mean that the person must be certain of never needing mental health treatment again in the future – the person might – but this is also a possibility for people who have never been diagnosed.)
Question: What is the role of medications in recovery?
Answer: Everyone’s story is different, so there is no one answer to this question. But consider the following facts:
- Before medications existed, and currently in cases where people have managed to avoid ever getting medications, people have recovered from “schizophrenia” and similar disorders. (In fact, overall rates of recovery have not increased since medications were introduced, and recovery rates are typically higher in developing countries that have less access to medications.[iv])
- Some people have found that medications were initially helpful for them, but as they learned to take care of themselves in other ways, medications gradually became less necessary and were discontinued.
- Other people have found that medications were never helpful to them, and that recovery was impossible until they got off the medications.
- And some have found that staying on a low dose of medications while they pursue their dreams is what works best for them. Even if they believe it might be possible to learn to do without the medication, attempting to learn to do that is not as important to them as other life goals. While it could be said that they are not “fully recovered” because they still need treatment, it should be pointed out that full recovery is just a possibility, not a requirement that anyone must fulfill in order to have a meaningful life.
Medications are of course what can often make the biggest difference the quickest, and they are heavily promoted by an industry that makes billions of dollars of profits off them, so it is easy to be seduced into believing that they should be the cornerstone of treatment. However, they also come with heavy costs in terms of both subjective and objective negative side effects, and some of these effects can even be fatal.[v] A better approach is to first try alternatives wherever possible, so that at least at times medication use can be avoided altogether. [vi] And then, if alternatives fail to succeed and medication does seem necessary, use as little as possible and continue to search for other ways to improve coping over time so that medications can perhaps be eventually reduced or discontinued.[vii]
Question: If medications only help some of the time and even then are only some of the answer, then what really helps people recover?
Answer: “Schizophrenia” and other “psychotic disorders” typically involve responses to stress, responses that in themselves causes more stress to the person and which then cause reactions from others that increase the stress. Example: a man who suffered traumas in childhood loses his job and can’t find another, then starts hearing voices, fears the voices mean he is mad, then starts yelling at the voices, resulting in being evicted from his apartment, losing his friends, and is labeled as “mentally ill.” So what will help? It might be any number of things. Being around people who seek to understand his experience rather than label him, and who are friendly despite his odd behavior, can be a big start. Learning that voice hearing is a pretty normal response to stress and that there are ways to cope with it can help: this might be learnt in psychotherapy, or through peer support such as in a voice hearer’s group[viii]. Getting help getting housing and back to work can play a huge role in reducing stress. Certain dietary changes may help, as might a variety of practices that improve his ability to handle stressful circumstances, such as mindfulness exercises, yoga, physical exercise, and a long list of others. Once he becomes ready, he might find that therapy or other exercises that help him explore and accept his earlier traumas help reduce his vulnerability to stress in the future. Any of a variety of approaches that increase self understanding, including spiritual approaches, may be helpful. A key part of recovery is often learning that one’s brain does not have to work exactly like everyone else’s in order to be healthy: for example many people find that they continue to hear voices, yet once they accept them and know how to cope, they can move on with their lives without hindrance or need to change that experience.
Question: What kind of things get in the way of recovery?
Answer: Here is a partial list:
- The belief that recovery is not possible
- Failure to take responsibility for working toward recovery: expecting others to make it happen without your help
- Additional stress and trauma, such as that induced by being homeless & without a source of income, or the trauma often induced by forced and disrespectful mental health treatment
- Lack of social support and connection
- Believing that the disorder is simply “biological” and unrelated to stressful events or to how one handles stressful events
- Being labeled and categorized by others. Some say that it is more difficult to recover from mental health stigma than it is to recover from mental health problems themselves
- For many, medications. While medications at some points help some people toward recovery, they can also for interfere with recovery, for example by inducing passivity, social unresponsiveness, inability to think clearly, and failure to get the opportunity to learn that one can handle life without medications.
- Efforts to recover that are made too abruptly. For example, while medications may be causing problems, quitting abruptly may result in withdrawal or other problems that may then cause relapse or descent into even greater difficulties. And while a person may be capable of eventually handling stressful life circumstances, taking on challenges of any sort before one is ready can result in setbacks.
- Being too cautious, going too far to avoid risks. Recovery requires taking modest risks, with “trying, but not too hard.” Being too cautious leads to a continued perception of oneself as incompetent, and to never having the opportunity to learn competence.
Obviously, this is just an introduction to the topic of recovery from “schizophrenia” and similar disorders. To learn more, it can help to read stories of those who have recovered, such as those found at http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/recovery-stories/ I also encourage you to read various postings on my blog, where I address a wide variety of issues related to the understanding of psychotic disorders and to recovery, and provide links to other resources.
[ii] Rufus May is a psychologist who himself made a full recovery after being diagnosed with “schizophrenia” – check out his website.
[iii] For more explanation of why some attempt to redefine recovery to mean less than really recovered, see my article on that topic.
[iv] A summary of the disappointing results of reliance on medications for treatment can be found in Robert Whitaker’s Anatomy of an Epidemic.
[v]For a summary of the hazards of antipsychotic medications, including the risk of death, and how practice might be different if people were adequately informed about them, see this Full Disclosure article.
[vi] For people who are just beginning to experience psychotic symptoms, simply going to psychotherapy with a knowledgeable therapist can be helpful – see the article cognitive therapy for the prevention of psychosis. And even when problems are more severe, most people can be helped without antipsychotics if proper help is available – see this article on a Finnish approach. Of course, when other forms of help are unavailable, people are often forced to rely on medication sooner.
[vii] See the Harm Reduction Guide to Coming Off Psychiatric Drugs for ideas about how to do this. Also, therapists might want to look at this Therapist’s Guide
[viii] For more information on hearing voices groups, as well as lots of ideas for coping with voices, check out The international community for hearing voices.






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The best website Ive read so far. Great job. it is true that recovery is possibe… I, myself once was on 13 different drugs now i dont take any of them . I do work 2 different jobs. I do drive(not feeling sleepy cus of the drugs) and i am socially connected and with a lovely girlie. The key to success is not to rely on drugs and making yourself believe that you cannot function without them. I could not function while on the drugs cause of the fatigue and of the fact that my thinking was not clear. ppl who are getting off the drugs must be, in my opinion out all the time and believe in theirselves. They can do it. YOu can do it folks!
PS: sorry for the bad use of english. Take care
what a rubbish webpage. all talk no concrete details.
is treatment of schazophrina with chlorpomazine best?
please tell me.
age 29
living in pakistan
sex male
taking medicine 9 years.
ok
As discussed above, different things work for different people, and so there is no way I know of that a doctor or anyone else can guarantee that any certain treatment or drug will work “best.” And this is just a website that offers general information and discussion, so I don’t aim to tell anyone what will or won’t work for them specifically. But I encourage you to pay attention to what works for you, and try to find people who can help you explore options other than just more drugs forever.
If I had to pick a neuroleptic (and I am no advocate for neuroleptics) I certainly wouldn’t pick thorazine (chlorpromazine). If you want the thorazine shuffle and a whole host of other side effects this is your drug.
Having said that do NOT contemplate discontinuing this or any other neuroleptic without some medical supervision to do so. I, too, would encourage you to explore the options and to make informed decisions. The first step is do your research. Educate yourself!
Really great ,helpful websites,so much valuable concrete information in details.
Thanks very much ! We really appreciate your effort !
Are there any integrative,alternate clinics/centers that allow young people to try nutritional supplement and cognitive therapy before being forcing medications ?
If no medications seem helpful,what is the next type of treatment for psychosis ?
would repetitive magnetic cranial stimulations help ?
Where to find therapist who deal with psychosis ?
Thanks again,
Warm regards.
In response to Terry’s questions: In most of the world, the first treatment and often the only treatment offered for psychosis is medications. They often are not forced – unless the person is seen as a danger to self or others. But people do feel stuck taking the drugs when that is the only relief offered.
If you live in upper Scandinavia, you would be offered help from a team using the Open Dialogue approach, which often completes treatment without ever using medications. If you live in Alaska, you might be able to get help from the very small Soteria-type project they have there. I’m sure there are a few other alternatives here and there, but not easy to find.
If one’s problem is not too severe, one might be helped by a competent therapist while avoiding medications. One place to find a therapist is through http://www.isps.org/ Check the “local groups” tab to find out if your country has an ISPS chapter.
A third option, also in response to Terry, is to see if there maybe is some sort of self-help group in the area where you live. There’s a – especially in Europe – growing movement called the Hearing Voices Network, that offers support groups for voice hearers. Check out their website: http://www.intervoiceonline.org/. Even if there’s no group nearby where you live, you may find the information at the website helpful.
I am on Abilify but want to get off. However my Psychiatrist does not want me to. I’m trying to find a Dr. who can work with me to come off the Abilify but can still write prescriptions so the withdrawl can be slow and tapered. Having no success references online or referrals to a Dr in the Dallas TX area. Any leads or recommendations???
I want to be clear that I’m not giving any specific advice to any particular person (especially not medical advice, which I can’t give in any case) but I can just report on some options people have used when having a hard time finding someone to help them get off medications.
One is to work harder to find a different prescriber. If one can’t get a referal, just contact various other prescribers to see if one can find a prescriber who is sympathetic to one’s needs.
Another option is to work harder at convincing one’s current prescriber. Does one have a therapist or other professional who can help vouch for one’s readiness? How about friends or family members who might be able to come to the appointment and add a voice advocating for change? Can one ask what the prescriber would need to see that would demonstrate a readiness to try a lower dose?
A third option is just to start slowly reducing the dose (some would say only about 10% at a time, with weeks to evaluate) on one’s own. When pills are being prescribed in too large a quantity in one pill, one can buy a device that chops the pill, etc. One study showed that those who quit without help from their doctors were just as successful on average as those who quit with help (one reason for this may be that many prescribers don’t know much about quitting and often suggest too radical of dose reductions when they are willing to reduce dosages.)
Which ever option you choose be mindful that withdrawl from many psychiatric drugs can cause psychiatric side effects. For example if the dose is reduced to abruptly with antipsychotics tardive psychosis may ensue. You might also note depression or suicidal thought. Remember these are withdrawl effects of the drugs and may not represent your longer term state.
If you decide to go it on your own try to have someone for support, someone you can speak openly with, someone you trust.
I helped my son withdraw from some heavy dosages of multiple drugs a couple of years ago and although a bit of a roller coaster initially it came together. As Ron indicates take lots of time. A 10% reduction per week is definitely enough.
Thanks for the feedback. I’ve done a lot of reading, in particular Dr Breggin’s books, and am aware of the need to go very slow. I’m also aware of the potential withdrawl symptoms. It’s just very frustrating to try and find a Dr who will work with me on this. Like finding a needle in a haystack!
I have read so many articles I don’t know who or what to believe, I would like to see some concrete evidence that some thing other than medication well help people with this this disorder, I would like to see from begining to end these results of recovery of any one claiming that they have this illness. because you are getting people hopes up that recovery is possible. Show a video, if you had this talk is cheap , if any one has recovered they would want to shout it to the WORLD!!!!!
Hi D.D.
There are plenty of recovery stories posted on the web – check out http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/recovery-stories/
But I think most people who have recovered don’t want to say much about their story – because in order to talk about recovery, one has to talk about having had the disorder, and people often learn that recovery means having to hide having had a disorder, at least to make certain doors open. For a video example, that tells a real life story, go to The Doctor who hears voices at http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=5B6D685236A79C41
There is hope and people do recover.
There is plenty of evidence to support this fact. An early novel by Joanne Greenberg portrays her recovery from schizophrenia under psychotherapeutic treatment with Freida Fromm-Reichmann. The novel is titled “I Never Promised You a Rose Garden.” The Nobel Laureate John Forbes Nash Jr. whose life was chronicled in the movie “A Beautiful Mind” both recovered and won the Nobel prize. The portrayal in the movie that suggested Nash took psychiatric drugs was incorrect. He recovered without drugs (and I have spoken with him on the subject.) Courtnay Harding has published a follow up study that has researched the longer term outcomes associated with schizophrenia. Harding observed that at least half of those diagnosed with schizophrenia fully recover and that that half are not on psychiatric drugs. (Caution however do not throw your drugs away because there are negative withdrawl effects).
Closer to home, my son was diagnosed with schizophrenia, frequently hospitalized, drugged to the gills, and left hopeless. I undertook intensive psychotherapy with him, on my own, with guidance from Bertram Karon and Jack Rosberg, and he has recovered. He takes no drugs. He experiences no symptoms, he has returned to school, completed his first year of studies with honours and commences second year in September.
People do recover. Appreciate that those who are shouting victory are drowned out by a pharmaceutical machine that generates billions in annual revenues from the sale of psychiatric drugs.
The first step in recovery is distinguishing that you have the choice. You need to be cause in the matter. You need to accept the responsibility for recovery. You need to believe it can be done and you will find the pathway to its accomplishment. The fact that you are looking for answers, commenting, and expressing doubt, all indicate that you are not willing to accept the dismal prognosis that has been offered to you or the person that you care about that has inspired your inquiry. Skepticism is an absolutely wonderful trait to possess at the moment. It indicates that you will take a measured approach. Good Luck!
“recovery from disorders like “schizophrenia” may require belief that it is possible, because such recovery typically requires a person’s own effort. People are unlikely to exert this effort if they lack a belief that it may succeed.” – i agree! i am paranoid schizophrenic and what has kept me going is my belief that i can get better, and i am better. don’t lose hope, especially for the people who support and love you.
- amae
Managing Schizophrenia Blog
Alan wrote: “Appreciate that those who are shouting victory are drowned out by a pharmaceutical machine that generates billions in annual revenues from the sale of psychiatric drugs.”
Yes. And appreciate that not everyone who was labelled with “schizophrenia” and did recover – and I’m one of them, btw, and recovered without ever having taken as much as one single pill – wishes to shout victory, due to the massive discrimination in society against people who received this label, recovered or not.
Also, check out Soteria (or watch this video) and Open Dialog, and find lots of people talking about their experience with “schizophrenia” and their recovery at Madness Radio.
Marian…thanks and I do appreciate that those who have been labelled wish to disassociate with the label. Of course! My view is schizophrenia does not exist. A belief system prevails and beliefs are capable of being transformed. The distinction you have provided is much appreciated.
MSB… you are you. You are whomever you choose to be. I doubt you have assigned your own label (paranoid schizophrenic). Someone else has assigned this label. The limiting effects of the label are much like a parent telling a child he or she is stupid. The child grows up believing they are stupid and this becomes a limiting belief that restrains the child from realizing his or her full potential.
I suggest that most of us are prone to some form of excess if we do not manage our beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors.
Beliefs are pretty powerful in forming personalities and illnesses. I believe schizophrenia exists and is biochemical. I also believe the course of this illness has everything to do with how one experiences their illness and interprets it and their beliefs about it. I take meds for this illness and feel neutral which is how it is supposed to be if the meds work right. One of the most important tools in overcoming this illness is cognitive behavioral therapy. Another tool is creativity. Another tool is humor. The absence of psychiatric assault, stigma and general ignorance is also important in the recovery from this illness.
I just completed On Gratitude which is the adventures of a schizophrenic in recovery from nicotine. This related topic you might enjoy deals with the emotional effects and works with beliefs about nicotine in the 4th year of recovery. Delightful. To find out more visit my website at psyche1902.com. From there on pages 1 and 2 you will get a little slideshow, the release announcement for the book and some other interesting things to see. True story. Heal Responsibly, Jean Manthei, MA, LPC, CACIII
Jean, I agree with you that finding the right beliefs is important, as are humor, creativity, freedom from assault & stigma, and getting free of nicotine, which it sounds like you’ve done a lot of work on! But I have my doubts about some of your other statements, and I wonder about your basis for believing in them.
Certainly people exist who behave in a way that makes other people say they have “schizophrenia” but what exactly does it mean to say that “schizophrenia” itself exists? Where can one see a “schizophrenia?” What is it made out of? Is there any reason to believe that everyone who behaves in a way that gets labled “schizophrenia” has the exact same cause for their behavior?
Simularily, I believe that our bodies are biochemical, which means that everything we think, do, and feel has a biochemical aspect. But we don’t usually say that “spirituality is biochemical” or “being a college student is biochemical” because we are aware that much more than biochemistry is involved, and after all there is no biochemical test for who is spiritual, etc., just as their is no biochemical test to determine who has “schizophrenia.” So what does it mean to say that “schizophrenia” is biochemical?
Finally, you say that you “feel neutral” and take this as how it is “supposed to be.” I know that antipsychotics tend to increase indifference, but I don’t believe this is how humans are “supposed to be.” Instead, it’s great that we can get enraged about injustice, passionate about art, thrilled with adventure, fearful of danger, etc. Certainly when people are getting over-excited, in a bad way, about the wrong things, being flat can feel like a relief, but it isn’t a long term solution for how to be a successful human being. That’s one reason why antipsychotics for life don’t seem to be an effective solution to the problem of psychotic experience.