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	<description>New understandings of the mind and of madness can open new doors to full recovery - thoughts from way outside the straightjacket of the &#34;medical model.&#34;  By Ron Unger LCSW</description>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/comment-page-2/#comment-110914</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 11:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent as always thank tou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent as always thank tou</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Unger</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/comment-page-2/#comment-110786</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Unger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 15:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jonny, I think in the situation you describe it isn&#039;t helpful to confront the person and just state that you know what they are saying isn&#039;t true:  this makes it sound like you are an absolute authority on the subject, rather than an equal to the person with your own limited perspective.  But I also think it isn&#039;t helpful to just agree - that puts you in the position of colluding with the person, later they can look back and say &quot;well Jonny also agrees this is true!&quot;  

Instead, you can do things like be curious how they came to that conclusion, or about how they make sense of evidence that suggests a different conclusion. You can let them know you were thinking of it a different way, or ask them how they make sense of the fact that others seem to see it differently, if they are aware of that being the case.  

This is really what we do with our peers who seem to have different conclusions about reality than we do.  We think the game is Saturday, they think it is Friday:  so we ask them how they came to that conclusion, we compare notes about our perspectives.  Sometimes we have to agree to disagree for awhile when there is no quick resolution of different points of view.

One interesting thing is that people are more likely to take in contrary information when they are feeling good about themselves.  So if we maintain a positive relationship with someone where they know we see positive things about them, they are more likely to be able to look at evidence they may be wrong about something.  This goes for all people, not just those with &quot;schizophrenia&quot; or &quot;psychosis!&quot;  For more on that, look at 

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/05/09/152287372/partisan-psychology-why-are-people-partial-to-political-loyalties-over-facts?ps=cprs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jonny, I think in the situation you describe it isn&#8217;t helpful to confront the person and just state that you know what they are saying isn&#8217;t true:  this makes it sound like you are an absolute authority on the subject, rather than an equal to the person with your own limited perspective.  But I also think it isn&#8217;t helpful to just agree &#8211; that puts you in the position of colluding with the person, later they can look back and say &#8220;well Jonny also agrees this is true!&#8221;  </p>
<p>Instead, you can do things like be curious how they came to that conclusion, or about how they make sense of evidence that suggests a different conclusion. You can let them know you were thinking of it a different way, or ask them how they make sense of the fact that others seem to see it differently, if they are aware of that being the case.  </p>
<p>This is really what we do with our peers who seem to have different conclusions about reality than we do.  We think the game is Saturday, they think it is Friday:  so we ask them how they came to that conclusion, we compare notes about our perspectives.  Sometimes we have to agree to disagree for awhile when there is no quick resolution of different points of view.</p>
<p>One interesting thing is that people are more likely to take in contrary information when they are feeling good about themselves.  So if we maintain a positive relationship with someone where they know we see positive things about them, they are more likely to be able to look at evidence they may be wrong about something.  This goes for all people, not just those with &#8220;schizophrenia&#8221; or &#8220;psychosis!&#8221;  For more on that, look at </p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/05/09/152287372/partisan-psychology-why-are-people-partial-to-political-loyalties-over-facts?ps=cprs" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/05/09/152287372/partisan-psychology-why-are-people-partial-to-political-loyalties-over-facts?ps=cprs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/comment-page-2/#comment-110785</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 14:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

one issue has perplexed me
somtimes  a person with this condition may tell stories about another person or about the person they a re talking to, that are simply not true - even though they themselves belive them to be true 

When confronted by these issues is it better to agree with the person
or tell them that this is not true  even though this may make the situation worse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>one issue has perplexed me<br />
somtimes  a person with this condition may tell stories about another person or about the person they a re talking to, that are simply not true &#8211; even though they themselves belive them to be true </p>
<p>When confronted by these issues is it better to agree with the person<br />
or tell them that this is not true  even though this may make the situation worse</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Unger</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/comment-page-2/#comment-110576</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Unger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 03:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Louise,

One possibility is that you posted here a long time ago, but that your comment was lost when the site crashed awhile ago.  Thanks anyway for your kind remarks, and for sharing your recovery story - those stories are really important!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Louise,</p>
<p>One possibility is that you posted here a long time ago, but that your comment was lost when the site crashed awhile ago.  Thanks anyway for your kind remarks, and for sharing your recovery story &#8211; those stories are really important!</p>
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		<title>By: Louise Gillett</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/comment-page-2/#comment-110544</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise Gillett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 21:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ron

I thought I commented on here ages ago, but can&#039;t find any trace of it, so maybe I didn&#039;t after all.  Just wanted to say that I think this is a brilliant blog - I have been pointing people to it for a long time.  Thank you for providing this resource.  Also, I wanted to add my voice to those of others reporting their recovery from &#039;schizophrenia&#039;  - it is good to read about so many of them on here.  I have written a book about my recovery, &#039;Surviving Schizophrenia: A Memoir&#039;.   I am not writing this post to sell books though - in fact, the book will be free this Saturday, so please help yourselves anyone who wants a copy.
All the best, Louise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ron</p>
<p>I thought I commented on here ages ago, but can&#8217;t find any trace of it, so maybe I didn&#8217;t after all.  Just wanted to say that I think this is a brilliant blog &#8211; I have been pointing people to it for a long time.  Thank you for providing this resource.  Also, I wanted to add my voice to those of others reporting their recovery from &#8216;schizophrenia&#8217;  &#8211; it is good to read about so many of them on here.  I have written a book about my recovery, &#8216;Surviving Schizophrenia: A Memoir&#8217;.   I am not writing this post to sell books though &#8211; in fact, the book will be free this Saturday, so please help yourselves anyone who wants a copy.<br />
All the best, Louise</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Unger</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/comment-page-2/#comment-110363</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Unger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Iris,

Thanks for sharing that great story!  I hope you consider sharing it, even without sharing anything that would identify yourself, at other places - for example you might consider sharing it at MindFreedom&#039;s version of &quot;it gets better&quot; at http://www.mindfreedom.org/campaign/boycott-normal/life-after-labels

When I was a young guy, I heard voices only very briefly, but I had lots of weird perspectives and beliefs and &quot;disordered thinking&quot; that was also an attempt to transcend the limits of thinking, and like you, I knew that sharing my experiences with mental health professionals would not be a wise move!  There should be a term for people in our category - we are not consumers or ex-consumers or survivors, since we never partook of the system, at least at the time of our real crisis.  The best word that I&#039;ve come up with so far is &quot;escapees&quot; which refers to the fact that we escaped from both the mental health system and our own crisis.

Paris Williams, the author of &lt;a href=&quot;http://rethinkingmadness.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rethinking Madness&lt;/a&gt;, who will be presenting a &lt;a href=&quot;http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/2012/04/rethinking-madness-a-webinar-presented-by-dr-paris-williams/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;couple of webinars in mid May&lt;/a&gt;, is also an &quot;escapee&quot; in that he had his own fall into extreme experiences, from which he recovered without help from the system, and then he went on to become a psychologist fascinated with the possibility of recovery and with seeing the whole experience of madness differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Iris,</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing that great story!  I hope you consider sharing it, even without sharing anything that would identify yourself, at other places &#8211; for example you might consider sharing it at MindFreedom&#8217;s version of &#8220;it gets better&#8221; at <a href="http://www.mindfreedom.org/campaign/boycott-normal/life-after-labels" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindfreedom.org/campaign/boycott-normal/life-after-labels</a></p>
<p>When I was a young guy, I heard voices only very briefly, but I had lots of weird perspectives and beliefs and &#8220;disordered thinking&#8221; that was also an attempt to transcend the limits of thinking, and like you, I knew that sharing my experiences with mental health professionals would not be a wise move!  There should be a term for people in our category &#8211; we are not consumers or ex-consumers or survivors, since we never partook of the system, at least at the time of our real crisis.  The best word that I&#8217;ve come up with so far is &#8220;escapees&#8221; which refers to the fact that we escaped from both the mental health system and our own crisis.</p>
<p>Paris Williams, the author of <a href="http://rethinkingmadness.com/" rel="nofollow">Rethinking Madness</a>, who will be presenting a <a href="http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/2012/04/rethinking-madness-a-webinar-presented-by-dr-paris-williams/" rel="nofollow">couple of webinars in mid May</a>, is also an &#8220;escapee&#8221; in that he had his own fall into extreme experiences, from which he recovered without help from the system, and then he went on to become a psychologist fascinated with the possibility of recovery and with seeing the whole experience of madness differently.</p>
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		<title>By: iris</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/comment-page-2/#comment-110360</link>
		<dc:creator>iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have been diagnosed with scitz.  if I&#039;d seen a doctor.  I heard voices and experienced other sound distortions and disordered thinking.  I knew that I was crazy, but instinctively knew that being labeled as such would be very detrimental to my well being.  Anyhow, that time in my life was pure Hell and I barley made it out alive (with out giving in to my desire to end my own life).  I really try not to remember that time because it was just too painful.  My friends and family didn&#039;t know what was going on either, all they knew was that I was suddenly very reclusive and I had no regular job, I just worked for a temp agency long enough each week to pay my few bills.  I did research and found that b12 deficiency can cause these symptoms, and so as I was vegetarian I started taking those to help.  Honestly though I feel like praying was what saved me, just accepting that God would help me and giving up my desire for power.  
So I started praying everyday and then I started meditating.  Now 15 years later, no one around me knows about this past.  I have many friends and have been married for 7 years and I have never told my husband about my past and would never suspect such a thing about my past.   I have a rewarding life and am finishing up my nursing degree soon, and have two wonderful, brilliant,  children whom I care for with all the love and attention of any other doting mother.  I am living proof that someone can completely recover from this horrible state, without medication or therapy of any kind.   I still meditate and pray daily and I devote a great deal of my time into volunteer work to help others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have been diagnosed with scitz.  if I&#8217;d seen a doctor.  I heard voices and experienced other sound distortions and disordered thinking.  I knew that I was crazy, but instinctively knew that being labeled as such would be very detrimental to my well being.  Anyhow, that time in my life was pure Hell and I barley made it out alive (with out giving in to my desire to end my own life).  I really try not to remember that time because it was just too painful.  My friends and family didn&#8217;t know what was going on either, all they knew was that I was suddenly very reclusive and I had no regular job, I just worked for a temp agency long enough each week to pay my few bills.  I did research and found that b12 deficiency can cause these symptoms, and so as I was vegetarian I started taking those to help.  Honestly though I feel like praying was what saved me, just accepting that God would help me and giving up my desire for power.<br />
So I started praying everyday and then I started meditating.  Now 15 years later, no one around me knows about this past.  I have many friends and have been married for 7 years and I have never told my husband about my past and would never suspect such a thing about my past.   I have a rewarding life and am finishing up my nursing degree soon, and have two wonderful, brilliant,  children whom I care for with all the love and attention of any other doting mother.  I am living proof that someone can completely recover from this horrible state, without medication or therapy of any kind.   I still meditate and pray daily and I devote a great deal of my time into volunteer work to help others.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron crouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron crouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i suffer from severe depression with pyshcotic features. i am so exausted that i cant do things. i cant see up or down. and i know part of what would help is my hormones. one state says regardless of it hurting treament the the hormones i am male to female transsexual that its beneficial and case by case the current state i live in says if it causes more mnetal illness who take it but are pill pushers that in the forstsix weeks etc can cause same problems so it has nothing to do what they say but the stigma of transsexuality. i am on disablity cant afford to move i live on my own but my parents take care of me and yet i dream of my personal religion telling i am the biggest hypocrit that i have the power to change wtf how do i do that. medicine works s... on me this is why before the best of best a team of doctors gave me a diagnosis their of borderline personality but where i live here regardless of that i know best i am the docotor attitude and since you cant take take meds right we dont know. i take meds for right for 6-12 weeks were it should kick in and it doesnt so i now my body others times i cant remmber to take them or so pissed off at my docotrs not giving a s... about me. so whats my answer doctor. i want to get well but i am my biggest problem. part of the neourpsych diagnosis was the severe depression but for whats it worth they cant figure out my label they thought i was bipolar, bipolar meds screwed me over and apparrentlly i aint bipolar but act it. and legally i know they aint harming me but damn well feels like it , its just ? and they uggest it if it got worse do medievil therapy torture me thy shall do no harm so how electro shk therapy therapy.for whats it worth i am in morgantown wv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i suffer from severe depression with pyshcotic features. i am so exausted that i cant do things. i cant see up or down. and i know part of what would help is my hormones. one state says regardless of it hurting treament the the hormones i am male to female transsexual that its beneficial and case by case the current state i live in says if it causes more mnetal illness who take it but are pill pushers that in the forstsix weeks etc can cause same problems so it has nothing to do what they say but the stigma of transsexuality. i am on disablity cant afford to move i live on my own but my parents take care of me and yet i dream of my personal religion telling i am the biggest hypocrit that i have the power to change wtf how do i do that. medicine works s&#8230; on me this is why before the best of best a team of doctors gave me a diagnosis their of borderline personality but where i live here regardless of that i know best i am the docotor attitude and since you cant take take meds right we dont know. i take meds for right for 6-12 weeks were it should kick in and it doesnt so i now my body others times i cant remmber to take them or so pissed off at my docotrs not giving a s&#8230; about me. so whats my answer doctor. i want to get well but i am my biggest problem. part of the neourpsych diagnosis was the severe depression but for whats it worth they cant figure out my label they thought i was bipolar, bipolar meds screwed me over and apparrentlly i aint bipolar but act it. and legally i know they aint harming me but damn well feels like it , its just ? and they uggest it if it got worse do medievil therapy torture me thy shall do no harm so how electro shk therapy therapy.for whats it worth i am in morgantown wv.</p>
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		<title>By: erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i need help for my brother i know he has all these symptoms but also he started to mess with drugs and he has gotten worse i have no idea how to help him or what help is out there for him? he talks to people that are not there. he also just stares at the wall for awhile and snaps back to reality 2 min later. he talks about death .
you can email me at erica_peruchick@yahoo.com
if you have any suggestions thanks =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i need help for my brother i know he has all these symptoms but also he started to mess with drugs and he has gotten worse i have no idea how to help him or what help is out there for him? he talks to people that are not there. he also just stares at the wall for awhile and snaps back to reality 2 min later. he talks about death .<br />
you can email me at <a href="mailto:erica_peruchick@yahoo.com">erica_peruchick@yahoo.com</a><br />
if you have any suggestions thanks =)</p>
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		<title>By: Greta Kapadia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greta Kapadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking for help for my son Mark Kapadia . Phone number 267-595-1875.Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking for help for my son Mark Kapadia . Phone number 267-595-1875.Thanks</p>
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