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	<description>New understandings of the mind and of madness can open new doors to full recovery - thoughts from way outside the straightjacket of the &#34;medical model.&#34;  By Ron Unger LCSW</description>
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		<title>Comment on Finding out more about the &#8220;Open Dialogue&#8221; approach on the web by Ron Unger</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/2010/10/finding-out-more-about-the-open-dialog-approach-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-110915</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Unger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 15:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never heard of Open Dialogue taking patients from outside of their treatment area.  I do know they mostly work with first experiences of psychosis, though I have heard of the method being used with people who have been treated for years in different systems.  I think that is more difficult, but still possibly effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never heard of Open Dialogue taking patients from outside of their treatment area.  I do know they mostly work with first experiences of psychosis, though I have heard of the method being used with people who have been treated for years in different systems.  I think that is more difficult, but still possibly effective.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions and Answers about Recovery by Jonny</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/comment-page-2/#comment-110914</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 11:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent as always thank tou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent as always thank tou</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finding out more about the &#8220;Open Dialogue&#8221; approach on the web by Sarah</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/2010/10/finding-out-more-about-the-open-dialog-approach-on-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-110832</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 06:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open Dialogue sounds fantastic.  Do they take patients in from other countries?  Do they only work with patients who are experiencing a psychotic episode for the first time or do they offer help to patients who have had several psychotic episodes and have been treated with neuroleptics for a few years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Dialogue sounds fantastic.  Do they take patients in from other countries?  Do they only work with patients who are experiencing a psychotic episode for the first time or do they offer help to patients who have had several psychotic episodes and have been treated with neuroleptics for a few years?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Carl Jung on &#8220;schizophrenia&#8221; by Rob</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/2012/03/carl-jung-on-schizophrenia/comment-page-1/#comment-110787</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 16:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could someone explain the last paragraph, particularly the last line?
&quot;Unless both doctor and patient become a problem for each other, no solution is found&quot;.
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone explain the last paragraph, particularly the last line?<br />
&#8220;Unless both doctor and patient become a problem for each other, no solution is found&#8221;.<br />
Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions and Answers about Recovery by Ron Unger</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/comment-page-2/#comment-110786</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Unger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 15:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jonny, I think in the situation you describe it isn&#039;t helpful to confront the person and just state that you know what they are saying isn&#039;t true:  this makes it sound like you are an absolute authority on the subject, rather than an equal to the person with your own limited perspective.  But I also think it isn&#039;t helpful to just agree - that puts you in the position of colluding with the person, later they can look back and say &quot;well Jonny also agrees this is true!&quot;  

Instead, you can do things like be curious how they came to that conclusion, or about how they make sense of evidence that suggests a different conclusion. You can let them know you were thinking of it a different way, or ask them how they make sense of the fact that others seem to see it differently, if they are aware of that being the case.  

This is really what we do with our peers who seem to have different conclusions about reality than we do.  We think the game is Saturday, they think it is Friday:  so we ask them how they came to that conclusion, we compare notes about our perspectives.  Sometimes we have to agree to disagree for awhile when there is no quick resolution of different points of view.

One interesting thing is that people are more likely to take in contrary information when they are feeling good about themselves.  So if we maintain a positive relationship with someone where they know we see positive things about them, they are more likely to be able to look at evidence they may be wrong about something.  This goes for all people, not just those with &quot;schizophrenia&quot; or &quot;psychosis!&quot;  For more on that, look at 

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/05/09/152287372/partisan-psychology-why-are-people-partial-to-political-loyalties-over-facts?ps=cprs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jonny, I think in the situation you describe it isn&#8217;t helpful to confront the person and just state that you know what they are saying isn&#8217;t true:  this makes it sound like you are an absolute authority on the subject, rather than an equal to the person with your own limited perspective.  But I also think it isn&#8217;t helpful to just agree &#8211; that puts you in the position of colluding with the person, later they can look back and say &#8220;well Jonny also agrees this is true!&#8221;  </p>
<p>Instead, you can do things like be curious how they came to that conclusion, or about how they make sense of evidence that suggests a different conclusion. You can let them know you were thinking of it a different way, or ask them how they make sense of the fact that others seem to see it differently, if they are aware of that being the case.  </p>
<p>This is really what we do with our peers who seem to have different conclusions about reality than we do.  We think the game is Saturday, they think it is Friday:  so we ask them how they came to that conclusion, we compare notes about our perspectives.  Sometimes we have to agree to disagree for awhile when there is no quick resolution of different points of view.</p>
<p>One interesting thing is that people are more likely to take in contrary information when they are feeling good about themselves.  So if we maintain a positive relationship with someone where they know we see positive things about them, they are more likely to be able to look at evidence they may be wrong about something.  This goes for all people, not just those with &#8220;schizophrenia&#8221; or &#8220;psychosis!&#8221;  For more on that, look at </p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/05/09/152287372/partisan-psychology-why-are-people-partial-to-political-loyalties-over-facts?ps=cprs" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/05/09/152287372/partisan-psychology-why-are-people-partial-to-political-loyalties-over-facts?ps=cprs</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions and Answers about Recovery by Jonny</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/comment-page-2/#comment-110785</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 14:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

one issue has perplexed me
somtimes  a person with this condition may tell stories about another person or about the person they a re talking to, that are simply not true - even though they themselves belive them to be true 

When confronted by these issues is it better to agree with the person
or tell them that this is not true  even though this may make the situation worse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>one issue has perplexed me<br />
somtimes  a person with this condition may tell stories about another person or about the person they a re talking to, that are simply not true &#8211; even though they themselves belive them to be true </p>
<p>When confronted by these issues is it better to agree with the person<br />
or tell them that this is not true  even though this may make the situation worse</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rethinking Madness: A Book Review by Patrice Campion</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/2012/04/rethinking-madness-a-book-review/comment-page-1/#comment-110590</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrice Campion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 07:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine all the lives that could be saved with this shared knowledge about psychosis.  This is possibly the best type of &#039;preventive&#039; education in the hands of the person experiencing the psychosis, and their loved ones, who can assist and be supportive through this process.  Preventing one from entering the black hole of biomedical psychiatry, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine all the lives that could be saved with this shared knowledge about psychosis.  This is possibly the best type of &#8216;preventive&#8217; education in the hands of the person experiencing the psychosis, and their loved ones, who can assist and be supportive through this process.  Preventing one from entering the black hole of biomedical psychiatry, that is.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rethinking Madness: A Book Review by Greg White</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/2012/04/rethinking-madness-a-book-review/comment-page-1/#comment-110589</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 19:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Ronnie...Paris..
this is heartening stuff, making MLKs aphorism
&#039;the redemption of the world lies with the creatively maladjusted&#039; seem all that more realisable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Ronnie&#8230;Paris..<br />
this is heartening stuff, making MLKs aphorism<br />
&#8216;the redemption of the world lies with the creatively maladjusted&#8217; seem all that more realisable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions and Answers about Recovery by Ron Unger</title>
		<link>http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/comment-page-2/#comment-110576</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Unger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 03:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Louise,

One possibility is that you posted here a long time ago, but that your comment was lost when the site crashed awhile ago.  Thanks anyway for your kind remarks, and for sharing your recovery story - those stories are really important!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Louise,</p>
<p>One possibility is that you posted here a long time ago, but that your comment was lost when the site crashed awhile ago.  Thanks anyway for your kind remarks, and for sharing your recovery story &#8211; those stories are really important!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions and Answers about Recovery by Louise Gillett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise Gillett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 21:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ron

I thought I commented on here ages ago, but can&#039;t find any trace of it, so maybe I didn&#039;t after all.  Just wanted to say that I think this is a brilliant blog - I have been pointing people to it for a long time.  Thank you for providing this resource.  Also, I wanted to add my voice to those of others reporting their recovery from &#039;schizophrenia&#039;  - it is good to read about so many of them on here.  I have written a book about my recovery, &#039;Surviving Schizophrenia: A Memoir&#039;.   I am not writing this post to sell books though - in fact, the book will be free this Saturday, so please help yourselves anyone who wants a copy.
All the best, Louise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ron</p>
<p>I thought I commented on here ages ago, but can&#8217;t find any trace of it, so maybe I didn&#8217;t after all.  Just wanted to say that I think this is a brilliant blog &#8211; I have been pointing people to it for a long time.  Thank you for providing this resource.  Also, I wanted to add my voice to those of others reporting their recovery from &#8216;schizophrenia&#8217;  &#8211; it is good to read about so many of them on here.  I have written a book about my recovery, &#8216;Surviving Schizophrenia: A Memoir&#8217;.   I am not writing this post to sell books though &#8211; in fact, the book will be free this Saturday, so please help yourselves anyone who wants a copy.<br />
All the best, Louise</p>
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