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	<title>Comments on: The role of &#8220;loss of significance&#8221; in &#8220;schizophrenia&#8221;</title>
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	<description>New understandings of the mind and of madness can open new doors to full recovery - thoughts from way outside the straightjacket of the &#34;medical model.&#34;  By Ron Unger LCSW</description>
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		<title>By: Marian</title>
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		<description>Just found out that you&#039;re back on track. Yay!

I&#039;ve come across quite a number of similar statements as the one about brain pruning. Older ones usually plainly allege, that &quot;schizophrenics&quot; are sort of stupid, have a lower IQ than the average, &quot;normal&quot; person. - Does my ego find that offensive??... - The newer one&#039;s talk - more &quot;sophisticatedly&quot;, &quot;scientificly&quot; - about reduced cognitive abilities and increased brain pruning, or brain shrinkage. In both cases the stupidity/reduced cognitive abilities usually are seen as a bio-marker of the &quot;illness&quot;.

It&#039;s easy enough to debunk the research findings, or at least the bio-marker idea, where the studies only involve diagnozed individuals who are in the system, i.e. who are on neuroleptics, since these have been proven to cause brain shrinkage. But when I recently came across an article by a psychologist, that stated these findings could be observed even a long time before the first &quot;psychotic break&quot;, I had a problem, and had to mobilize my cognitive abilities.

The conclusion I jumped to ;) was, very much like yours in this post: stress. Caused by, for instance, dysfunctional communication patterns that make it difficult to find meaning, or significance, in the communicated - thinking of Laing&#039;s mystification and the double bind, of course.

Your post adds quite a lot of interesting aspects to &lt;a href=&quot;http://diffthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/03/are-psychologists-really-that-stupid.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my rather superficial thoughts on the matter&lt;/a&gt;, that will need a follow-up.

BTW: My own experiences are very similar to yours. The key was to find and decode the meaning. The &quot;tragic&quot; thing though is, that this also meant becoming quite disillusioned about the world we&#039;re living in. Bateson says, that people who continuously have been exposed to double binds tend to see them everywhere. Read between the lines: even where there are none. Indeed, I do see them everywhere in our culture. Not least in the mh system. Like when the individual is discriminated against by theories that attribute an individual&#039;s reduced cognitive abilities to his/her biology alone, and dismiss any environmental/societal factors as irrelevant. While this discrimination then is called &quot;help&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found out that you&#8217;re back on track. Yay!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve come across quite a number of similar statements as the one about brain pruning. Older ones usually plainly allege, that &#8220;schizophrenics&#8221; are sort of stupid, have a lower IQ than the average, &#8220;normal&#8221; person. &#8211; Does my ego find that offensive??&#8230; &#8211; The newer one&#8217;s talk &#8211; more &#8220;sophisticatedly&#8221;, &#8220;scientificly&#8221; &#8211; about reduced cognitive abilities and increased brain pruning, or brain shrinkage. In both cases the stupidity/reduced cognitive abilities usually are seen as a bio-marker of the &#8220;illness&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy enough to debunk the research findings, or at least the bio-marker idea, where the studies only involve diagnozed individuals who are in the system, i.e. who are on neuroleptics, since these have been proven to cause brain shrinkage. But when I recently came across an article by a psychologist, that stated these findings could be observed even a long time before the first &#8220;psychotic break&#8221;, I had a problem, and had to mobilize my cognitive abilities.</p>
<p>The conclusion I jumped to <img src='http://recoveryfromschizophrenia.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  was, very much like yours in this post: stress. Caused by, for instance, dysfunctional communication patterns that make it difficult to find meaning, or significance, in the communicated &#8211; thinking of Laing&#8217;s mystification and the double bind, of course.</p>
<p>Your post adds quite a lot of interesting aspects to <a href="http://diffthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/03/are-psychologists-really-that-stupid.html" rel="nofollow">my rather superficial thoughts on the matter</a>, that will need a follow-up.</p>
<p>BTW: My own experiences are very similar to yours. The key was to find and decode the meaning. The &#8220;tragic&#8221; thing though is, that this also meant becoming quite disillusioned about the world we&#8217;re living in. Bateson says, that people who continuously have been exposed to double binds tend to see them everywhere. Read between the lines: even where there are none. Indeed, I do see them everywhere in our culture. Not least in the mh system. Like when the individual is discriminated against by theories that attribute an individual&#8217;s reduced cognitive abilities to his/her biology alone, and dismiss any environmental/societal factors as irrelevant. While this discrimination then is called &#8220;help&#8221;.</p>
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